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Pant rant - Are we not men?
Pant rant
Yes, pants. Specifically, women's pants. Ang's post the other day about feminism reminded me of how the vain need of someone in the past to hide the actual dimensions of her waistline has caused me great distress in buying pants.

For you men who don't know, women's clothing is not sized by measurable dimensions. So, even if we know our dimensions, and haven't gained or lost weight, we have to try it on to see if it fits. The numbers assigned to women's clothing have a vague cohesiveness at best, and complete randomness at worst.

There were always 2 garment sections: women's, and petites. Petite means short. Non-petite means average.

All women's pants, unless otherwise noted (as in Petite), have an inseam of 30". I, on the other hand, have an inseam of 31".

Yes, it's true that in recent years, progress has been made in the way of the Tall pantleg. But the struggle isn't over yet. My mom remarked the other day about a woman she works with that always seems to be wearing high-waters. I had to explain the plight of the long-legged woman to her (she's tiny). She said, no, that can't be all it is. There are pants with Tall sizings. But not very many.

What my mom and other non-long-legged people may not realize is that the Tall size is nowhere near integrated. The pants I am wearing now are too short, because this is all I could find. Of the pants I have that *do* fit properly, none of them should actually be considered "business apparel". (I cheat, yes, by buying black "chinos" and stuff, that can't quite be identified as being non-work.)

I'm sure if I wanted to spend $150 on a pair of pants that I could find appropriate business wear that fit properly. I just don't have that kind of money. So, I'm going to see how men's pants fit.

This is why I hate working in offices. It's not the office, or the getting up, it's the wardrobe.

I'm all : irritated irritated
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Are you gonna eat that?
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 06:23 am
1. Don't go to the mall. Malls are the spawn of evil and only people with absolutely perfect figures can go there for clothes. I've left the mall in the past in tears on a few occassions with gift certificates in hand that were given to me because out of the thousands of outfits there, would not fit. Even the mixed and matched outfits. They all stunk.

2. Find a Ross. The clothes are a lot cheaper and I've found great 3 piece suits for the office that are comfortable and actually fit a normal person. I'm not skinny, I'm not heavy. I'm a little on the short side but I've only found good clothes there.

3. Other suggestion, if you're in the TX area, moreso Plano. Find the nearest Nordstroms Rack. Not Nordstroms but the same clothes at Walmart and Ross prices. Very nice stuff. If you're not in TX, find a Rack close to you.

I'm with you on the clothing stuff. They changed the dress code recently and I can't wear a lot of my things now. Thank goodness for solid black pants!
This place is filthy.
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 06:52 pm
Ross never has any Tall sizes, neither does Kohl's. I can usually find something halfway acceptable at Stein Mart. I haven't been to Nordstrom's Rack, yet, I'll have to try that next.
I'm a babe magnet.
Date: June 20th, 2003 - 05:01 am
The Rack is awesome. Are you in the Plano TX area? There is one off of Park and Preston. Great place...example $100 tank top for $25. And even $25 for a shirt is high.
I saved you a seat.
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 06:43 am
<dress code rant>
My bigger issue is with the whole dress-code system. Are we third graders who are going to be wearing obscene or offensive t-shirts? Do we need our boss to come dress us in the morning so we're attractive and matching? Are we so daft that we go through the day thinking "oh, goody, time to play," only to look down and be reminded that we're on someone else's time?

Dress codes are stupid and uncomfortable all round. There are certain standards that are acceptable ("don't show up in a ratty old I'm With Stupid t-shirt for a client meeting"), but most corporate dress codes are excessive. If you want us all to look the same, just issue damned uniforms already.

When i was consulting, i always warned larger clients that there would be a 5$/hour surcharge if i had to wear a tie. This was to cover my expenses in obtaining both a shirt with a collar and a tie. Nobody bugged me about dress code.
</dress code rant>

-josh, who feels choked when wearing collared shirts (collared greens, on the other hand, are quite liberating)
I've been goosed!
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 06:58 pm
Well, the problem is that someone has decided that Bluejeans Are The Devil. Sneakers, too.

Although, I have to admit, I would normally wear a ratty t-shirt, old bluejeans, and old sneakers. I am a comfort glutton. It's just annoying as fuck to have an entirely separate wardrobe for the office, especially since I only work about 4-6 months a year.
I've been goosed!
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 07:13 am
I'm not tall, and I find that 30" inseam pants show a lot more ankle than I'd like (and a bit of calf as well), but my big problem isn't with length, it's with the fact that pants are designed for women with no ass. I happen to have an ass, and I can't find pants (or even jeans) that don't ride down in back, and in the front I always feel like I'm being cut in half by my waistband, because I have to get high-waisted pants in order to ensure that my crack isn't showing. With jeans I can just wear a baggy tshirt and leave them unbuttoned (which helps a little bit but not completely; as I sit here my jeans are not only unbuttoned but halfway unzipped as well), but with normal pants this isn't always an option.
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 07:01 pm
I have no ass. I would actually prefer to buy low-waist jeans, because they would fit better, but all the low-waist stuff has those goofy flared legs that no one over about 27 would be caught dead in. (Even those of us who love disco :)

You should see how damn goofy slacks look when I pull them up to where the crotch is in the right place. Like an old man with suspenders!
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 07:07 pm
The worst part is that the jeans designed for women with an ass usually also have tapered legs, which just makes your ass look even more huge. I try to get ones with straight legs or a slight flare to balance out my ass and thighs, but I can't wear the really big flares because they're all low-waisted jeans made for people with no ass. ^_^
I've been goosed!
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 07:33 am
Oh my God, don't even get me started on this. Because not only are there very few jeans/pants for women with a 30+ inseam, but if you are lucky enough to find a pair that are long enough (33" for me), the waist will probably be too big.

I'm so glad that clam-diggers are back in style. I F'N love those things!
And yeah, try mens. Hey, remember Pepe Jeans? I remember there were a mens size that fit me and they were the best. I don't think they make Pepe's anymore, though. :o(
I saved you a seat.
Date: June 19th, 2003 - 07:04 pm
I only barely remember Pepe. Jeans aren't half the problem that slacks are, though. Some jeans even come in dimensioned sizes for women! Imagine, acknowledging your own waist size!
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